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#1 2017-03-27 17:34:08

markozino
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Serious money from trading?

Hey everyone




Im from Poland and as you may know or not, my dumb goverment going to block all bookmakers and exchanges from 1st April. In few days two biggest companies which is Betfair and Bet365 are closing all Polish account. That means i wont be able to trade horses anymore and thats pretty sad as ive been testing my system for good few months and now didnt even had opportunity to earn anything :/ 


Few words about what im going to do here. Around 10 a.m each day im going to post here horses which have to be backed and at what prices are valueble in order to lay them few mins before race starts. Of course its worth backing also on BET365 as they from time to time offer similar or even better odds than we could get in Betfair and of course no stake limit. Other opportunity with BEt365 is that in case horse drift a lot we lose 10% of stake only if we cash out and on Betfair we can lose much more ( there were even 80% stake loses during my test time). Overall these picks gave pretty good money and as i didnt find any idea how to play them now in my country, im willing to post all of them here with hope that some of you take advantage of it and make some free cash for better life. I cant guarantee you profit but i think i will but if u going to trade with me dont use any big cash please


Regarding other bookmakers which offer BOG in UK i dont know how their cash out works and if there is any cash out. If yes then let me know here or in private message so i will include also other bookamers beside BET365. 




All in all see you tomorrow morning and have a good evening!



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#2 2017-03-27 18:29:05

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Re: Serious money from trading?




 Hi Marko,  maybe its just an April fools joke from goverment ?


  If no, me like free cash for better life, so look forward to go trade with your horse tips, 

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#3 2017-03-28 09:10:55

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Re: Serious money from trading?

So here we starts




Hexham
14:30 Under The Red Sky  @ 8,2  /\   BET365 @ 5,5   
15:30 Ryedale Dancer @ 8,8  /\  BET365 @ 7,5  
16:00 The Bishop  @ 8,2  /\ BET365 @ 6,5    
 Vincent Row @ 15  /\ BET365  @ 13   


Southwell
14:10 The Wexfordian @ 5,1  /\  BET365 @ 5
15:10 Zabeel Star @ 12,5  /\  BET365 11


Wolverhampton
14:20 Gambino @ 25  /\  BET365 @ 21
15:50 Oratorios Joy @ 8,4  /\  BET365 @ 8




In races with 2 horses or 3 there are of course less chances to get all of them in right move but im putting here everything as it goes, these races kept giving profit and usually at least one of them been shortening to provide more profit than other loses. BET365 offers today only good oportunity for Oratorios Joy and The Wexfordian.




Good Luck all and have good day!

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#4 2017-03-28 09:38:09

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Re: Serious money from trading?


Good luck Marko


I shall watch with interest, I'm an old fashioned punter and tend to miss the easy money.

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#5 2017-03-28 10:50:39

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Re: Serious money from trading?

All the best with your approach!
Sounds interesting and always thought that some maths and laying could bring results. I hope it works with your calculations.


For the not so in-the-know could you please break down an example on how you would bet and lay. for example:
14:30 Under The Red Sky  @ 8,2  /\   BET365 @ 5,5


Thanks!

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#6 2017-03-28 11:16:06

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Re: Serious money from trading?

Hey all


Thanks for posts and interest!




Under The Sky was priced at 8,2 at betfair and in same time BET365 offered only 5,5 so there wasnt any sence in backing it on BEt365, now i see they moved it up to 7,5 what seems not bad. 




Im backing Under The Sky on Betfair for stake i want, usually with better odds than i put here and green up close to start of race either its profit or lose. If horse steamed over 50% already id lay half stake then and other half at start of race. If i backed that horse on BET365 i can do way higher stake as they allow to bet big amounts and in case if this horse drift a lot i do cash out and lose 10% only and if it steam i calculate profit and divide it by lay odds and make also green up (similar as in Betfair only). If it wins i get too much cash in BET365 then i withdraw and next day morning i have it back on Skrill where i deposit into Befair where i lay ( so there much more cash is neede). You guys can do way better as u can have same currency so u dont lose anything due currency onverting. But playing on BET365 i have to have pretty close odds as what Betfair offers currently, there wont be many picks but as i wrote earlier max u can lose is 10% due cash out and ur stake is matched instantly not like in Betfair in morning hours. Before race starts there is much cash on market so ur even big stake on BET365 will be greened




So all in all Betfair only trading dont need me to transfer cash from BET365 to Betfair and vice versa ( but with same currency there arent any loses) but i cant get big stakes in morning hours.


BET365 allow big amounts and biggest advantage only 10% lose in any drifinng horse due cash out but u have to transfer cash and have bigger bankroll

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#7 2017-03-28 12:31:59

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Re: Serious money from trading?

Nope I'm still lost. Can you give a practical example if you have time?

Forgive my ignorance but what is green-up and steamed. Steamed I think means backed well?

I've never layed a horse in my life. Once maybe I bet a horse not to win on 365. Where do you get the lay odds to divide into drifted odds?

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#8 2017-03-28 12:48:11

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Re: Serious money from trading?

Hello markgc




I will explain today later on my examples after races are finished , hopefuly one of my selections will shorten in odds (steamer) what means he was backed well by people and odds went down. Laying means not to win but i never did that on BET365, every lay i  place on Betfair. From time to time BEt365 have better odds so i back there and lay this horse on Betfair. Back to win on Betfair or on BET365  means same that i want horse to win. Point is back to win at higher odds and lay at lower odds, in this scenario i can green up what means make equal profit on each horse before race start, doesnt matter which one win i get same amount on each of them (either profit or lose)


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#9 2017-03-28 15:05:27

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Re: Serious money from trading?

UPDATE


1h before race start Vincent Row has went from 15 -> 7,4 and can be dobbed already!

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#10 2017-03-28 16:51:41

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Re: Serious money from trading?


Hi Marko
so you lay back as much as your profit allows , for us novices on laying give us a staking example on the above update


Thanks

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#11 2017-03-28 17:42:25

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Re: Serious money from trading?

FIRST DAY OF TRADING




Under The Red Sky  53,95
Ryedale Dancer  48,2
The Bishop  -29,5
Vincent Row  106,8
The Wexfordian  48,5
Zabeel Star  28,2
Gambino  -6,35
Oratorios Joy  -32,8




Profit: 217$






Flat stake going to be 100$. What im doing is explained on The Wexfordian




I have backed it for 100$ at odds of 5,1 on Betfair around 10 a.m
Few secs before race starts odds were 3,35 so if i layed for 100 id have freebet 163,62$
I want to green up so after making freebet(163,62$) i lay again for stake of 52,3 what leaves me with 48,2$ profit on each horse (less commision). Doing that in every horse i post here. If odds drift of course there will be equal lose on all horses.





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#12 2017-03-28 18:01:53

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Re: Serious money from trading?


Thanks Marko






Good luck




Butla

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#13 2017-03-29 09:17:53

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Re: Serious money from trading?

Morning gents




19:25 No Not Again @ 6  /\  BET365 @ 5,5
19:55 Special Seasn @ 12,5  /\  BET365 @ 13
 Berrahri @ 28  /\ BET365 @ 23
20:25 Sophisticated Hier @ 5,7  /\  BET365 @ 5,5
17:25 Bridge Of Stars @ 5,1  /\  BEt365 @ 5
14:10 Onwiththeparty @ 7,6  /\  BET365 @ 6
 Down Time @ 7,2  /\  BET365 @ 6,5
14:40 Little Miss Poet @ 2,34  /\  BEt365 @ 2,25
15:10 San Pietro @ 32  /\  BET365 @ 29
15:40 Bollin Ace @ 9,4  /\  BET365 @ 7
15:00 House Of Commons @ 4,5  /\  BET365 @ 4
 Muqareed @ 5,1  /\  BET365 @ 5
 Boots And Spurs @ 6,2  /\  BET365 @ 5,5
16:35 Rainbow Lad @ 5,1  /\  BEt365 @ 4,5




Carefull with race at 15:00, system showed 3 selections. If system going to proove profitble it should handle such hard situations


Good Luck and have a good day

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#14 2017-03-29 20:45:28

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Re: Serious money from trading?

DAY 2






No Not Again  18,7
Special Season  -35,4
Berrahri  -3,54
Sophisticated Heir  9
Bridge Of Sighs  5,7
Onwiththeparty  21,1
Down Time  28,9
Little Miss Poet  5,05
San Pietro  -15,56
Bollin Ace  63,4
House Of Commons  50,5
Muqarred  -33,8
Boots And Spurs  -45,6
Rainbow Lad  20,1




Profit today: 88,55$
Max risk: 45,6$
Max gain: 63,4$
Profit overall: 305,55


Interesting is nearly each horse i posted around 10 a.m drifted a lot and around 12:00 there could be much higher odds to take from my selections. Hour or two before race each horse steamed a lot so much value lost but still profit. Also 8 on 14 selections placed with decent odds. Until tomorrow





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#15 2017-03-30 07:11:00

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Re: Serious money from trading?


its going well, as I have said its something ive never looked at so is interesting. Thanks for your work








good luck all

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#16 2017-03-30 09:25:40

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Re: Serious money from trading?


Thanks butla for interest!




DAY 3 WE GO




18:15  Ice Royal @ 10  /\  BET365 @ 9
20:15  Space War @ 4,8  /\  BET365 @ 4,33
20:45  Tigerfish @ 4  /\ BET365 @ 3,5
16:25  Pumbaa @ 19  /\  BET365 @ 17
15:00  Emperor Commodos @ 28  /\  BET365 @ 26
15:35  Mr Kit Kat @ 20  /\  BEt365 @ 17
15:25  After Hours  @ 11  /\  BEt365 @ 8,5
16:00  Saint John Henry @ 16  /\  BEt365 @ 15
  Another Frontier @ 16  /\  BEt365 @ 13
 Ballywilliam @ 36  /\  BEt365 @ 29
15:10  Gentleman  @ 19  /\  BET365 @ 17
16:20  Society Ranger @ 6,8  /\  BET365 @ 6,5
16:55  Byres Road  @  10,5  /\  BEt365 @ 11




Good luck today people with your betting and trading. Carefull with race at 16:00

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#17 2017-03-30 20:56:59

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Re: Serious money from trading?

DAY 3 RESULTS ARE HERE






Ice Royal 26,4
Space War  -42,17
Tigerfish  -4,9
Pumbaa  -32,2
Emperor Commodos  0
Mr Kit Kat  -17,9
After Hours  41,4
Saint John Henry  17,3
Another Frontier  80,4
Ballywilliam  0
Gentleman  17,6
Society Ranger  31,2
Byres Road  1,85




Daily profit: 118,98$
Max profit: 80,4$
Ma risk: 42,17$
Total profit: 424,53$




Always good to gain profit even with totaly wrong Space War and Ireland race with Pumbaa with not enough liquidity. It continues and gives profit, we see how it go during weekend which can be unpredictable. Our 40 units bank easily increased by 10% in 3 days and there werent even "amazing" days yet. Worst risk so far was not even 1,5% of bankroll. Until tomorrow, gnight!

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#18 2017-03-30 22:29:17

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Re: Serious money from trading?

Following your progress with interest.
The only significant criteria that I can question, is how or what make  you select your particular selections?
So as to give you your higher Back Odds,(that you need) and obviously on the hope that the lower Lay Odds will be less(shorten)?

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#19 2017-03-30 22:52:15

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Re: Serious money from trading?

Hi ilskorpioni




Sorry but i cant tell right now how i choose selections, took me long time to find algorithm which i have to fulfil with data of each race and then predicts what seems good(from tomorrow all betfair account for polacks will be blocked due goverment restrictions and anti hazard, sad i couldnt even play for real cash as testing took long) All odds im writing here are actual odds able to back on Betfair and with many many picks, maybe even 80% these odds i write on morning keep drifting, so many people can get better odds. Profit is calculated with this lowest odds possible to get but im sure if anyone follow and decide to back around 12 o clock, it could be 600+ rather than 424. But sometimes there are big drifters right from when i post here. Even if there is big drifter as today from 4,8 to 8,3 it gives only 42$ lose but if i get another one which steam from 8,3 to 4,8 id earn 70$ so nearly double. So if any horse drift 5 times and steam 5 times by same amrgin i do anyway big cash on it. All horses with famous jockeys and trainers which are pretty highly placed are usually backed, especially if they were backed last race heavily and fialed to even place


 Cheers!

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#20 2017-03-30 23:10:48

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Re: Serious money from trading?

Hi Markozino
Thanks for a quick reply to my enquiry.
Obviously there are many methods of searching for the runner with the best odds to back, hoping that they will get shorter.
I suppose it is very likely, as with most techniques, knowledge, and experience does help.
So, in the meantime,keep on your system, and have continued success.
Pity about all BF accounts being blocked?
So, Poland can not play any more?
best wishes

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#21 2017-03-31 09:24:06

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Re: Serious money from trading?

DAY 4 WE GO, HOPING FOR 4 STRAIGHT PROFIT DAYS




14:40  Only Gorgerous @ 7,6  /\  BEt365 @ 6,5
14:00  Russian Reward  @ 6,4  /\  BEt365 @ 6,5
15:00  Oratorious Joy @ 10  /\  BET365 @ 9
16:00  Corpus Chorister  @ 7,6  /\  BEt365 @ 7
14:20  Freewheel @ 50  /\  BET365 @ 34
15:50  Attimo @ 8  /\  BEt365 @ 6,5


Evening races will be around 12:00. Bet365 dont even allow to open their site from Polish IP so im taking odds from oddschecker, hoping they are accurate. 

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#22 2017-03-31 11:02:52

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Re: Serious money from trading?

DAY 4 EVENING RACES




20:00  Doonard Prince @ 11  /\  BEt365 @ 7,5
21:00  Black Label @ 7,8  /\  BET365 @ 7
17:45  Lord Rob @ 14,5  /\  BEt365 @ 11
19:15  Tadawool @ 7,2  /\  BEt265@7
19:45  Swansway @ 3,45  /\  BEt365 @ 3
20:45  Lydias Place @ 34  /\  BEt365 @ 17
Youre Cool @ 6  /\  BEt365 @ 6


Good luck people

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#23 2017-03-31 21:59:09

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Re: Serious money from trading?

DAY 4 RESULTS ARE HERE


Doonard Prince  -79,2
Black Label  -4,9
Only Gorgerous  -12,6
Russian Reward  26,9
Corpus Chorister  -5
Lord Rob  62,33
Tadaawol  -25
Swansway  -28,1
Lydias Place  -22,7
Youre cool  1,8
Freewheel  -33,3
Attimo  -18,4




Daily profit: -138,17$
Max profit: 62,33$
Max risk: -79,2$
Total profit: 286,36$




Bad day with 9 losing trades from 12 but that is only 3,5% lose of bankroll and didnt take so much from profit. Tomorrow is another day and most important such loses dont make me feel bad or stressed as im pretty sure they have to come and risk is really low as today. Until tomorrow then and good night!

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#24 2017-04-01 07:13:28

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Re: Serious money from trading?


yes bad day but cant win everyday,


Good luck all

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#25 2017-04-01 09:16:14

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Re: Serious money from trading?

DAY 5 WE COME


18:45 Dream Serenade @ 9,4
13:50 Absolutely So @ 8,6
 Scrutineer @ 16
14:25 Sinfonietta @ 22
 Lord Of The Rocks @ 36
17:50 Boychick @ 8,2
14:05 Linguistic @ 4,7
 Virens Army @ 4,7
14:40 Hakam @ 11,5
17:10 Guiding George @ 19
15:55 Star Foot @ 5,2
17:05 Ballycoe @ 4,1
13:55 Edward Elgar @ 6,4
15:40 Allbarnone @ 7,8




GL all

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